I probably should have been a little clearer, I do advocate the newbie list.
I also suggest lurking here to pick more detailed information, I must have
missed Bob's posting to him ....... my error.
On Sunday 24 June 2001 02:21 am, you wrote:
> "Anthony M. Abate" wrote:
> > John,
> > While you have valid points in this post, the tone of the message is
> > completely wrong.
> You are probably right. I was feeling frustrated when I wrote that
> msg, and felt that something drastic needed to be done.
> > This list is here to help people learn, solve issues and
> > discuss Linux. The newbie list was created to help lighten the load this
> > list was receiving by neophytes.
> I agree with you. Thirtynine msgs in a single thread suggests that
> that thread be taken immediately to the newbie list.
> > I don't recall it ever being mentioned or
> > "understood" that newbies were no longer welcome here.
> And it still has not been said. However, I do believe that newbies
> would serve themselves best by lurking on the main list for at least a
> month before posting. That is considered to be good list ettiquette.
> On the other hand, newbies should begin posting immediately to the
> newbie list since it is expressly for newbies. Newbies should refrain
> from asking newbie questions to the main list. Otherwise, they will
> endanger the main list.
> > Many people don't
> > know all the resources available on the net or how to find them.
> But this one did know. He knew about the KPLUG website as evidenced
> by the observation that he joined the list. Bob La Quey told him
> about Google on Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:47:59 -0700.
> > Wouldn't it
> > have been easier just to say " Here are a few good resources for you to
> > investigate" ........ Instead of the rude comment you did make.
> I deny that my comment was rude. I prefer to think of it as direct
> instructions. I look forward to helping him on the Newbie list.
> > Remember one thing, Linux will continue to grow only if newbies are
> > successful using it. Broadening the user base is the only way to ensure
> > the public falls out of the M$ trance.
> > I'll add a personal comment to this. I promote this list to people all
> > the time.
> I believe that you should promote the Newbie list instead of the main
> list. Why are you not promoting the Newbie list which was created
> precisely for the needs of newbies?
> Technically strong users (e.g., Robert Cunningham) have quit this list
> recently because the volume of postings was too high. This is a bad
> thing. Please help solve this problem by asking all newbies to use
> the newbie list instead of this list, and to use this list when the
> newbie list fails them. Everyone should read both lists, and send
> their questions to the appropriate list.
> > I view everyone here as a valuable resource who have helped me many
> > times. I am dismayed because the last 10 people I pointed here left
> > because of what they called the "Elitists Attitude" exhibited by some
> > list members.
> This provides additional support for the idea that they signed up for
> the wrong list. This would not have happened to them on the newbie
> > This is a really bad thing, as my daughter would say ...... and she would
> > be right.
> Even worse, in my opinion, would be to ruin the main list by
> over-burdening it with Newbie questions. This would tend to drive out
> strong users, and also to kill the Newbie list. One of the very best
> things about Kplug is its willingness to create specialized lists to
> provide support for any subgroup. John Terpstra, then a VP of Turbo
> Linux, and a major developer and organizer of the Samba project, once
> told me that the best lists are completely willing to spin off
> subgroups at the drop of a hat.
> Please join me in encouraging newbies to use the newbies list to
> better support everyone's needs.
> Thanks in advance for your cooperation.